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From: [e-mail] (Paul Brooks)
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Subject: Re: WinSock Compliance Testing

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
|In article <2rrciq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Neil Rowland) writes:
|......
|>Last time I inquired about WSAT, I got a whole load of doubletalk.
|>1st, they said it was for Winsock implementors, not developers using
|>winsock.  Then, they said that certain tests were "supposed to fail", and
|>it took an expert to properly interpret the results, and more condes-
|>cending obfuscation along that line, but still no specifics.
|......
|
|I tried WSAT on a number of winsocks (IMHO, none of them work properly
|except the one that comes with NT) and they all fail the tests in
|strange ways! TRumpet was actually one of the best, but none were error-free
|and none completed the client/server tests without hanging or crashing
|the whole system.  As someone who has to rely on winsock for a product,
|I'm pretty depressed all round.  I agree M$ is back-pedalling very hard
|over WSAT and they probably wish they had never mentioned it.

I don't really think so - WSAT is a very valuable tool for the stack developer,
but has never been intended as a compliance tester for the general public for
evaluating windows sockets stacks. In general, the _only_ person who can
interpret the significance of the various pass and fail modes is the
programmer who is writing the WINSOCK.DLL. It is still a 'beta' program, and
many developers disagree
with some of the tests, and it makes assumptions about operations that
are not entirely justified, causing failure returns that are actually
the result of a successful operation, so in the hands of, say,a corporate
evaluator it would cause more harm than good. It is for this reason that it
is not generally available.

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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Lee)
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Subject: Re: ALL SLIP USERS AND WINSOCK DEVELOPERS SHOULD READ THIS!!!

[e-mail] (Dr. Michael J. Rensing) writes:
>
> I have the same problems with the Trumpet newsreader as with Eudora; it does
> not wait for the login process to complete before attempting to execute
> network commands.

But that's really not a problem of the client application but of the Winsock
implementation. Dynamic loading of Winsock works very nicely when you are
connecting over Ethernet or other networks which does not involve dialing the
phone. The Winsock stack really has to delay any network calls until the
dialing and log in have completed.

> TELNET.
> I still haven't found a good standalone telnet client which does reliable
> VT100 emulation, including the full screen keypad stuff.

I found the Telnet client that comes with Chameleon 4.0 to be excellent ...
but that's not free.

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Patrick Lee [Internet: [e-mail]] [CompuServe: 74003,2566]
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From: [e-mail] (Laurence Chiu)
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Subject: Re: Stabilizing Win Mosaic 2b4

In article <[e-mail]>, Bob Zimbinski wrote:
: Is anyone running Mosaic 2 beta 4 in Win 3.1 without frequent and spontaneous
: Internal Application Errors?  I grew so frustrated with the constant crashes
: that I went back to the 16 bit version, but I really really miss the ability
: to print, and the document cacheing seems less intelligent.  Anyone have hints
: for stabilizing 32 bit Mosaic?
:
: Bob Z
: [e-mail]

Happens to me all the time - certain pages will give me a internal
application error. Some maps will not display (from the CERN home
page, to to WWW sites and eventually you get sensitive maps). I am
using Win32S 1.5. Those maps and pages show fine using Cello though.

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From [e-mail] Thu May 29 14:10:22 1994
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Subject: Re: I Need a good newsreader

In article <[e-mail]>, Patrick Lee wrote:
: You are probably using the best Winsock NNTP news reader out there right now.
: Trumpet beats all of the commercial newsreaders, according to PC Week (Network
: edition) a few weeks ago when they looked at Windows TCP/IP programs.

It's okay. But I haven't figured out how to put a .sig in my reply
yet. Acually since my SLIP account also has a free shell account, I
use that to download my news using uqwk and read offline with YARN.
Much better than reading online.

: In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Levine)
: writes:
:
: >Can someone recommend a good winsock compliant newsreader. I'm using Trumpet
: >right now and find it ok but wonder if there might be something better out
: >there. Please e mail response.
:
: --
: Patrick Lee <[e-mail]>

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From [e-mail] Mon May 30 04:47:49 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Harrison)
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Subject: Mosaic and Gopher URLs

I was wondering if somebody could tell me the correct way to specify
a gopher URL in Mosaic with a specified port number.

Thanks in advance.

Gary.
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Subject: Re: Mosaic and Gopher URLs

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Harrison) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Gary Harrison)
>Subject: Mosaic and Gopher URLs
>Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 04:47:49 GMT
>Summary: How to specify a gopher URL ?

>I was wondering if somebody could tell me the correct way to specify
>a gopher URL in Mosaic with a specified port number.

Gary,

Try the following:

gopher://host.domain:70/1

Harry
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Subject: Re: Auto-launch Trumpet (SLIP-mode)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stuart J. Winokur) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stuart J. Winokur)
>Subject: Re: Auto-launch Trumpet (SLIP-mode)
>Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 22:50:39 EST

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Kaisen) writes:
>>Is it possible for this to happen when I use Trumpet in SLIP mode?  In other
>>words, could I double-click on QVTNET, and have that action cause TRUMPET to
>>load and execute the commands in LOGIN.CMD?

>Yes. Under dialer, options, select autologin on demand or autologin and logout
>on demand. When you click on a client, it calls the Trumpet Winsock, which
>then executes your login.cmd script. Mine works fine, only caveat is
>some apps expect to be connected right away, and issue error
>messages.

The latest beta of the winsock resolves this problem.

>The modems need time to handshake and then for the
>script to run, so I just click on reconnect if it is an option.
>Otherwise, I just start Trumpet Winsock by itself, then minimize it
>and call my client apps after a SLIP connection is established.
>If you have login and logout selected, when you close down your client app,
>the logout.cmd script runs. I'm no rocket scientist, and I got all
>this stuff working pretty easily on my own.

>>Otherwise, should I make/modify a PIF file which would do this?

>Nope, not necessary.

Peter

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From: [e-mail] (Kjell Schroeder)
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Subject: WinQvt/Net 3.97 and MS TCP/IP Daytona, fix?

A week ago I posted an article about WinQvt/Net's ftp-server wchich hangs
after one login from a client when using MS TCP/IP Daytona.

Microsoft has now let me know that this is a known bug and that they are
working on a fix.

Kjell S

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Subject: Re: ALL SLIP USERS AND WINSOCK DEVELOPERS SHOULD READ THIS!!!

In article <[e-mail]>, Patrick Lee wrote:
: [e-mail] (Dr. Michael J. Rensing) writes:
: > TELNET.
: > I still haven't found a good standalone telnet client which does reliable
: > VT100 emulation, including the full screen keypad stuff.
:
: I found the Telnet client that comes with Chameleon 4.0 to be excellent ...
: but that's not free.

Doesn't it come with the Chameleon sampler that you can get "freeish
buying the book?

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Subject: Re: WinVN won't post articles

In article <2s5q3i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>When I attempt to post an article using WinVN, it fails every time and pops up an error
>window containing "480  Authentication Required for Command".  Is this caused by an
>invalid entry in my WinVN.ini file?  I have double checked the addresses for the gateway
>etc. and they are all correct.  Can someone point me in the right direction?  Thanks.
>
>Jeff Huston
>[e-mail]


I'm having the same problem. Version 90.6 works just fine.
I got version 91.03 and I can send mail, and I think that I am actually
posting messages, however, after I post the followup article, WinVn
just sits there (I am assuming, waiting for some sort of response from
the server that it's not getting). At that point, I can't read anymore articles.
I get an error, still communicating with the server error.